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and karl rove can't organize it. neither can any of the other people who played with that power but who now can't control it. >> so those who rode the tiger are now inside the tiger. >> exactly. >> don't forget, the chamber of commerce, at very times, made common cause with the antigovernment, anti-tax, anti-everything. they were willing to get in bed with him at certain points. and now they're paying for it. and karl is trying to unwind what he's wound. >> he's like a track tout. i used to go and after the races were over, they would show you who they'd recommend you'd bet on. it was always the winners that pass out the free picks. i would have bet on this guy. that's rove out there saying i would have had all of these winners picked, we would have won all of these general elections and now everybody realizes we're going to go over it in a minute. but your thoughts? >> now, i totally agree with howard. your analogy there. the problem for karl is we have all the betting slips. his two organizations, american cross ro
and karl rove can't organize it. neither can any of the other people who played with that power but who now can't control it. >> so those who rode the tiger are now inside the tiger. >> exactly. >> don't forget, the chamber of commerce, at very times, made common cause with the antigovernment, anti-tax, anti-everything. they were willing to get in bed with him at certain points. and now they're paying for it. and karl is trying to unwind what he's wound. >> he's like a...
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how dare karl rove and his money guys try to do any such thing. and so yes, paul broun and steve king may be the prototypical examples of the kind of off the cooke end candidates that karl rove and the big money guys do not want in republican politics, because those are the kind of guys that lose senate seats that are otherwise winnable. but karl rove and his money guys kind of stand alone in that assessment. the rest of the party wants that. they want those guys. and they want it not naively. they know what they are getting. steve king and paul broun have been around for a long time. when the party stands up and says these are the guys they want, they know who they're talking about. they know who these guys are. and it is what they choose. so if you were a republican party stalwart, if you were part of the republican party and you loved the republican party and you wanted what was best for the republican party, what would you do at a time like this? what would you say? how would you try to fix this problem? well, today in washington house majorit
how dare karl rove and his money guys try to do any such thing. and so yes, paul broun and steve king may be the prototypical examples of the kind of off the cooke end candidates that karl rove and the big money guys do not want in republican politics, because those are the kind of guys that lose senate seats that are otherwise winnable. but karl rove and his money guys kind of stand alone in that assessment. the rest of the party wants that. they want those guys. and they want it not naively....
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and so it's very easy for karl rove to saunter in and say oh, well, we'll stop this. you can't fight something with nothing. he did not back a single winning candidate last year. so what is going to happen? that is the republican party. that's why they win primaries, and the republican party has a more serious problem, which is that's 30% of the country that holds those views, maybe more or less. they can win primaries. they can never win national elections. but what is this republican establishment that rove represents? it's money people. but where are the voters within the republican party. it's not just tea party, it's the real base of the republican party whether they call themselves tea partiers or not. this is what they want. >> i was struck by how unified the reaction against rove was on the right. i mean, all of the influential -- all of the right-wing blogs that are influential enough that a liberal like me knows to go read them. >> right. >> all of them unified with being just disgusted with karl rove for having suggested this. it seems as though this is a v
and so it's very easy for karl rove to saunter in and say oh, well, we'll stop this. you can't fight something with nothing. he did not back a single winning candidate last year. so what is going to happen? that is the republican party. that's why they win primaries, and the republican party has a more serious problem, which is that's 30% of the country that holds those views, maybe more or less. they can win primaries. they can never win national elections. but what is this republican...
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. >>> plus the pack men, karl rove's new plan to pour cold water on the tea party and keep senate seats in the republican column. today's politics planner, as you can see, former president clinton will be speaking at ed koch's funeral, president obama is off to minneapolis and chris christie hits letterman. [ male announcer ] let's say you pay your guy around 2% to manage your money. that's not much, you think. except it's 2% every year. go to e-trade and find out how much our advice and guidance costs. spoiler alert: it's low. it's guidance on your terms, not ours. e-trade. less for us. more for you. more "likes." more tweets. so, beginning today, my son brock and his whole team will be our new senior social media strategists. any questions? since we make radiator valves wouldn't it be better if we just let fedex help us to expand to new markets? hmm gotta admit that's better than a few "likes." i don't have the door code. who's that? he won a contest online to be ceo for the day. how am i supposed to run a business here without an office?! [ male announcer ] fast, reliable deliveries
. >>> plus the pack men, karl rove's new plan to pour cold water on the tea party and keep senate seats in the republican column. today's politics planner, as you can see, former president clinton will be speaking at ed koch's funeral, president obama is off to minneapolis and chris christie hits letterman. [ male announcer ] let's say you pay your guy around 2% to manage your money. that's not much, you think. except it's 2% every year. go to e-trade and find out how much our advice...
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i think you'll see, you know, the new karl rove group, as you will, the new conservative party influence recruitment of candidates that speak across -- you know, that appeal to a broader group of people. >> right. >> but the point here, i think there's sort of three things. you mentioned this. there's people in candidate recruitment, right? which is like don't recruit people who say wildly offensive things about rape, that is a new principle for candidate recruitment. then there's the ideal center of where the party is and then there's the tactical choices made about cooperation. >> do you think there's changes at one and three, but not a lot of changes at two. >> so i want to talk about which of those three things are changing after we take this break. ladybug body milk? no thanks. [ female announcer ] stop searching and start repairing. eucerin professional repair moisturizes while actually repairing very dry skin. it's so powerful you can skip a day... but light enough you won't want to. dermatologist recommended eucerin. the end of trial and error has arrived. try a free sample at eu
i think you'll see, you know, the new karl rove group, as you will, the new conservative party influence recruitment of candidates that speak across -- you know, that appeal to a broader group of people. >> right. >> but the point here, i think there's sort of three things. you mentioned this. there's people in candidate recruitment, right? which is like don't recruit people who say wildly offensive things about rape, that is a new principle for candidate recruitment. then there's...
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just want to -- a quick word i mention to susan page about karl rove forming this new pac. it's called the conservative victory fund. and last year, karl rove had such a disastrous record that he spent $400 million lost the presidency they lost ten out of 12 senate races. they lost four out of nine house races. all of that money spent against democrats so now he's going to form yet another pac and spend this money in the republican primaries against republicans that he doesn't like, particularly tea party members he doesn't like. i love satisfying republicans eat each other alive. but i think this does pose a couple of important questions. number one after his record of blowing $400 million last year, why would anybody trust karl rove with a dime? and two, i want to know -- i want to know, damn it, how much money is karl rove making off these super pacs. you know he's not working for nothing. i'll get he's getting 10%. i'll bet he got $40 million out of that super pac last year. now he wants even more. >> announcer: this is the "bill press show." armed with the facts, and t
just want to -- a quick word i mention to susan page about karl rove forming this new pac. it's called the conservative victory fund. and last year, karl rove had such a disastrous record that he spent $400 million lost the presidency they lost ten out of 12 senate races. they lost four out of nine house races. all of that money spent against democrats so now he's going to form yet another pac and spend this money in the republican primaries against republicans that he doesn't like,...
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. >>> red rover, karl rove's new push to score some winners is getting pushback from powerful conservative groups. this morning, a debate between one of rove's point men and one of his top critics. >>> and who do you know? and do you know who this guy is? you should. he just might be the most powerful person in israeli politics not named netanyahu right now. find out what an unexpected power surge from the center could mean for u.s. hopes for mideast peace. >>> good morning from washington. it's tuesday, february 5th, 2013. this is "the daily rundown." i'm chuck todd. let's get to my first reads. president obama's state of the union address is just a week from today and the president is flooding the zone. worried the federal budget could dominate and limit his agenda this year. he's pushing other issues. he's talking guns one day, immigration the next. making sure he's not drawn into a standoff with republicans over the economy which would quickly come to define his second term. today, he makes the case on immigration to business leaders, including ceos like steve case and monica lozano fr
. >>> red rover, karl rove's new push to score some winners is getting pushback from powerful conservative groups. this morning, a debate between one of rove's point men and one of his top critics. >>> and who do you know? and do you know who this guy is? you should. he just might be the most powerful person in israeli politics not named netanyahu right now. find out what an unexpected power surge from the center could mean for u.s. hopes for mideast peace. >>> good...
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details on a "the new york times" report that karl rove plans to make sure candidates don't become the nominees in key senate races. nbc's first read team says it is going to be ugly. >>> plus, police say they're doing, quote, everything humanly possible to end the hostage standoff in alabama that's now in the seventh day. neighbors are now even collecting birthday cards for the little boy being held in that underground bunker. he turns 6 this week. former negotiator clint van zant will join me. >>> first, officials rule out one cause of the super bowl blackout. the sudden power outage in the game's second half not caused by electrical work done in december. that was one of the theories. power company and the company that manages the super dome says it originated where a power line meets the dome's electrical system. ravens coach john harbaugh said he was stunned but proud of the team's handling of the delay. >> it was just crazy. we haven't seen that one before. it was new. changed the complexion. they did a great job and changed momentum. they swung and wasn't the lights or the power
details on a "the new york times" report that karl rove plans to make sure candidates don't become the nominees in key senate races. nbc's first read team says it is going to be ugly. >>> plus, police say they're doing, quote, everything humanly possible to end the hostage standoff in alabama that's now in the seventh day. neighbors are now even collecting birthday cards for the little boy being held in that underground bunker. he turns 6 this week. former negotiator clint...
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plus, details on a "the new york times" that says karl rove is taking on the tea party. an we're getting new information about the investigation in to the blackout during the super bowl. what happened? and what they're looking at this hour. come on. nowadays, lots of people go by themselves. no they don't. yeah... hey son. have fun tonight. ♪ prom! [ laughs ] ♪ ♪ ain't nothin to me ♪ back against the wall ♪ ain't nothin to me ♪ keep you down and make you crawl ♪ ♪ ain't nothin to me ♪ cut you down when you feel tall ♪ ♪ ain't nothin to me ♪ ain't nothin to me ♪ ain't nothin to me [ crowd murmurs ] [ cheering ] hey! ♪ ain't nothin to me ♪ ain't nothin to me ♪ [ howls ] ♪ that's a good thing, but it doesn't cover everything. only about 80% of your part b medical expenses. the rest is up to you. so consider an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. like all standardized medicare supplement plans, they help save you up to thousands in out-of-pocket costs. call today to request a free decision
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>> you're talking about karl rove? >> i'm talking about karl rove. >> that is, it seems to me, john heilemann, a good question to ask. you go to karl rove, a guy that just got pasted in this last election. i know karl, i like karl. >> part of the past 20 years. >> he got pasted, and also some conservatives brought up, he was part of the bush administration that people like peg -- i'll say it peggy noonan, myself, others think destroyed the conservative movement by spending us into record debt. >> and you're seeing, you know, the immediate reaction among some parts of the conservative movement, parts of the tea party, more populist part of the party, attacking the group, saying that he's the karl rove and his allies, they have a bad record to run on and that they're deviating from the principles of true conservatism and they want to back sellouts. i think the main thing you're going to see over the course of this next cycle is a further deepening of the schism between the two kind of pieces of the republican party. the
>> you're talking about karl rove? >> i'm talking about karl rove. >> that is, it seems to me, john heilemann, a good question to ask. you go to karl rove, a guy that just got pasted in this last election. i know karl, i like karl. >> part of the past 20 years. >> he got pasted, and also some conservatives brought up, he was part of the bush administration that people like peg -- i'll say it peggy noonan, myself, others think destroyed the conservative movement by...
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rove is trying to do. >> the fringiness. the fringies being upset by the establishment. really quick here, lori montgomery. boston globe reporting there might be a romney that gets in this senate race. do you think that's realistic or silliness? >> you know, i can't imagine that the romneys -- >> your tone says it all. >> are up for another one of these. >> who do you have, ravens-49ers? >> i'm an eagles fan, so once they're not in contention, i stop paying attention. i got to go with the ravens, see ray lewis finish on top. >> lori? >> if playoff joe flacco shows up, i think the ravens win. if regular season joe flacco shows up, not so much. >> thanks to both of you. just over to hours from kickoff down in the big easy and also two hours from the biggest of the year in advertising as well. we'll give you a preview of the ads to watch for in between the plays. first, though, a teenage girl just back from her trip to washington to perform with president obama's inauguration gunned down in chicago. a senseless tragedy that put
rove is trying to do. >> the fringiness. the fringies being upset by the establishment. really quick here, lori montgomery. boston globe reporting there might be a romney that gets in this senate race. do you think that's realistic or silliness? >> you know, i can't imagine that the romneys -- >> your tone says it all. >> are up for another one of these. >> who do you have, ravens-49ers? >> i'm an eagles fan, so once they're not in contention, i stop paying...
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so they kept karl rove. >> yes. karl -- see they know that karl rove is going to be a valuables a set in 2014 2016 even if he got it wrong this time around -- >> bill: even if he attacked his own network. >> yes, he is still a relevant political player. sarah palin is not a relevant political player and karl rove is. >> bill: he also know that sarah palin -- when she made the decision that she was not going to run for president in 2012 she did not announce it on fox news. >> yeah. >> bill: why did they hire dennis casinich. >> that's a great question. obviously fox news is conservative, but the number one goal is programming, and roger ailes wants to have people on there to yell at each other. they probably made him an offer that was really good and now they have somebody on there that they can yell at. >> bill: i wonder if they'll give him the opportunity to express his opinions. >> yeah. >> bill: we saw each other last night at the launch of the new, new republic. i don't know how long the new republic has been ar
so they kept karl rove. >> yes. karl -- see they know that karl rove is going to be a valuables a set in 2014 2016 even if he got it wrong this time around -- >> bill: even if he attacked his own network. >> yes, he is still a relevant political player. sarah palin is not a relevant political player and karl rove is. >> bill: he also know that sarah palin -- when she made the decision that she was not going to run for president in 2012 she did not announce it on fox...
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karl rove's american crossroads had a 1.29% return on investment, spending $104 million. compare it to the house majority pac's 70% success rate on $30 million. another democratic super pac, majority pac is what it was called, had an even higher success rate. democratic super pacs did better in the last election because basically, they had a better message, with policies people actually cared about. it seems to me the republican super pacs were all based on a power grab. they had more money. but the money is meant to protect those at the very top. the wealthy. it's power versus populism. and this time around i think we did pretty well. i guess we could say that the citizens united beat citizens united based on where people were. but president obama's remarks three years ago are so true to this day. >> last week the supreme court reversed a century of law that i believe will open the floodgates for special interests, including foreign corporations, to spend without limit in our elections. >> to spend without limit in our elections. let's bring in msnbc political analyst an
karl rove's american crossroads had a 1.29% return on investment, spending $104 million. compare it to the house majority pac's 70% success rate on $30 million. another democratic super pac, majority pac is what it was called, had an even higher success rate. democratic super pacs did better in the last election because basically, they had a better message, with policies people actually cared about. it seems to me the republican super pacs were all based on a power grab. they had more money....
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rove said they were then going to move on comprehensive immigration reform and they were going to cement hispanics, or a large chunk of that hispanics, as sort of what rove called the republican majority. it was not just john mccain, it was the republican primary in 2008. you remember john mccain came into that, the guy who would finish second to bush in 2000. this was going to be john mccain's nomination in 2008. and his campaign practically imploded. he linked the immigration reform bill to ted kennedy. it became totally off limits in republican primaries. and yes, you are now seeing a return to normalcy, a guy like john mccain, and graham, they still come out supporting it. i think it is an open question, when you look at the republican safe house districts is it still safe for these people to come out and say they support comprehensive reform? i still think it is an open question. >> victoria, take us through the elements of the plan, the democrats like to say tough but fair, they are suspected of being too soft on this. but it does include a path to citizenship and that phrase, "pat
rove said they were then going to move on comprehensive immigration reform and they were going to cement hispanics, or a large chunk of that hispanics, as sort of what rove called the republican majority. it was not just john mccain, it was the republican primary in 2008. you remember john mccain came into that, the guy who would finish second to bush in 2000. this was going to be john mccain's nomination in 2008. and his campaign practically imploded. he linked the immigration reform bill to...
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last night karl rove who is now an umpire, he agreed and said republicans must have more than an anti-obama message. let's listen to the oracle, the architect. >> i think he's right. he was talking about todd akin of missouri and richard mourdock of indiana and their terrible comments on abortion. the republican can't be in mindless opposition to president obama. it has to offer a vision of the future that is attractive and compelling for americans to associate with. >> the problems is that the vision jindal and rove are talking about hasn't changed. only their messaging has. while jindal talks a good game paul krugman pointed out yesterday jindal is proposing eliminating louisiana's incomes tax which is paid primarily by the wealthy and replace it with a sales tax designed to hit the middle class and working class. you're doing the same old hoover stuff, tax the people that get hit the hardest by economic recession and exempt the top penal who make incomes, big incomes. >> but that's not necessarily been born out in states like texas and new hampshire and elsewhere that don't have a state
last night karl rove who is now an umpire, he agreed and said republicans must have more than an anti-obama message. let's listen to the oracle, the architect. >> i think he's right. he was talking about todd akin of missouri and richard mourdock of indiana and their terrible comments on abortion. the republican can't be in mindless opposition to president obama. it has to offer a vision of the future that is attractive and compelling for americans to associate with. >> the problems...
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you know, nobody has used the word yet, partly because i think karl rove fouled it after 2004 when he proclaimed there was a political realignment in this country. but i think there has been a political realignment. it's an obama realignment. and as i've heard you say before, i think this is now a center left country. the president's right on all these issues. republicans are kind of having a nervous breakdown, don't know what to do about it, so they're playing these kinds of games. >> well, it is our new theme here on the program. yes, we do say let's get to work. but let's call it what it is. this is a center left country. the issues are very progressive that people are polling very strongly in favor of. and another theme out of the republican party is victimization. i mean, you've got boehner and you got ryan and you got limbaugh. all seem to think that president obama is out to just destroy the gop. what a weak presentation of where they are, i would say. >> well, first of all, it would be impossible to victimize rush limbaugh. he is the great -- he is the great guy who is going o
you know, nobody has used the word yet, partly because i think karl rove fouled it after 2004 when he proclaimed there was a political realignment in this country. but i think there has been a political realignment. it's an obama realignment. and as i've heard you say before, i think this is now a center left country. the president's right on all these issues. republicans are kind of having a nervous breakdown, don't know what to do about it, so they're playing these kinds of games. >>...
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. >>> karl rove has a new super pac but it's not being used against democrats. check out the headline. rove declares war on tea party. after embarrassing senate defeats in missouri and indiana, rove's american crossroads has created the conservative victory project. that's a group the "new york times" says will back candidates and incumbents from challenges by far right conservatives and the tea party. let's bring in former democratic congressman from pennsylvania, retired navy admiral joe sestak and we're also joined by republican strategist and former santorum senior strategist, john brabender. here's what steven law, president of american crossroads said. quote, there is a broad concern about having blown a significant number of races because the wrong candidates were selected. we don't view ourselves as being in the incumbent protection business but we want to pick the most conservative candidate who can win, end quote. is he right there, or is this an act of war like breitbart says in the headline? >> i don't think it's an act of war. what they're saying is
. >>> karl rove has a new super pac but it's not being used against democrats. check out the headline. rove declares war on tea party. after embarrassing senate defeats in missouri and indiana, rove's american crossroads has created the conservative victory project. that's a group the "new york times" says will back candidates and incumbents from challenges by far right conservatives and the tea party. let's bring in former democratic congressman from pennsylvania, retired...